Amish goes Heimish: We’re here in Israel to say we’re sorry.

Israel Today reports that the Amish have come to Israel to ask Jews for forgiveness. Here are two paragraphs from the report:

“The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that God cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah. Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was God’s punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler.”

“We are here to say we are sorry,” group leader Ben Girod told Israel’s Channel 2 News as the group visited the Western Wall in Jerusalem. “God reminded me that this is not who He is. We no longer want to reject you or look at you as not being God’s people. You were God’s people long before we were.”

Did the repentant Amish also tell their hosts to do “the one thing necessary,” the “good part” – to sit at the Lord’s feet and dwell on his word?

Now as they were traveling along, He entered a village; and a woman named Martha welcomed Him into her home. She had a sister called Mary, who was seated at the Lord’s feet, listening to His word. But Martha was distracted with all her preparations; and she came up to Him and said, “Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to do all the serving alone? Then tell her to help me.”

But the Lord answered and said to her, “Martha, Martha, you are worried and bothered about so many things;  but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her” (Luke 10:38-42).

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7 thoughts on “Amish goes Heimish: We’re here in Israel to say we’re sorry.

  1. bography,

    You really are bothered by Christian acknowledgement of wrongdoing with respect to innocent Jews. It just makes you a little uncomfortable, a little squeamish. Do you ever stop to think about why that is?

    • Frank
      My point was not that Christians must not acknowledge causing suffering to Jews. It was this: the Amish, as all believers in the NT, should undertstand that all – including Jews – are lost unless they repent and trust in Jesus/Yeshua.

      • Frank
        It would probably not be the right thing for the Amish to ask for forgiveness AND admonish Israel to accept Yeshua/Jesus in the same breath. I wonder whether that particular Amish group will, at a later stage, when back home, publically say that Jews need Yeshua/Jesus. I don’t think so, for altough they believe Christianity is the best truth, the best light, the best way, they don’t believe that other faiths are wrong. Yet, they will not call themselves relativists, that is, the view that all paths lead to Home (heim). But, I can’t see how two religions that contradict each other can both be right; for example, Jews say God cannot be a man, while Christians say God took a human nature (while retaining his divine nature). Be tolerant by all means, but of the right things. For example, don’t be tolerant of logical contradiction but be tolerant of the person’s right to believe what he wants, including to believe that logic is irrelevant, as with the Amish (Jesus is the way the truth and the life but so is Buddha, or Rebbe Schneerson, or whoever – as long as you’re good and kind and believe in “God” – pantheist, deist, the Overself, the common Self).

  2. You go on these free association word rants that you think of as logical, in which you put down inconsistency, and then…

    Well, let’s just look at G-d’s opinions in Numbers 23:19 versus your own, and let’s just see how consistent you are:

    A. “G-d is not a man”, according to G-d. But according to you, G-d is a man. You believe that G-d is a man named Jesus.

    B. “…that He should lie”; according to G-d, G-d never lies. But according to you, G-d lied when He said that His commandments to the Jews were eternally binding on them (ex.: Ex. 31:17, Lev. 10:9, Deut. 5:29, etc.). You argue that Jesus “fulfilled” or “completed” the Law, and in order for that to be true G-d would had to have been lying through His teeth when He wrote the Jewish Bible.

    C. “…nor a son of man”; according to G-d, G-d is not a son of man. But as your adoptive religion’s chief doctrinal document, the “new testament”, refers to its deity, Jesus, as, specifically, “Son of Man”! For example, see Matt. 8:20, Mk. 2:28, Lk. 5:24, John 1:51. There are many other examples as well of Christianity’s brazen contradiction of G-d in Num. 23:19 on this matter.

    D. “…that He should relent.” According to G-d, an unreprentant sinner will be brought to account, and justice, by G-d. But you say that since Jesus died for your sins, G-d is going to look the other way if you decide to cheat on your wife or commit a murder. That program of belief invites a standard of immoral conduct that is anathema to the direction G-d provided us in His Torah. For instance, as we’ve discussed together, the majority of the Nazi butchers were Christians who “accepted Jesus in their hearts as their lord and savior”, and whom Christianity thus deems positioned for everlasting tranquility in heaven, while the Nazis’ innocent Jewish victims, including 1.5 million children, will eternally burn in hell because G-d prefers the company of butchers over anyone who would dare offend Him by refusing to bow to an idol named Jesus.

    My friend, I’m afraid that all of the weird word games you play are a useful distraction, for you alone, from the blatant reality that yours is a most inconsistent and untenable theology.

    • Frank E (Anonymous?)

      Your tirade is not surprising. I get it often from my fellow Jews. Before I say a few things, I want to say that I am terribly grieved to have to cross words (hopefuly never swords) with a fellow. Let us look at your points:

      Points A and B and C “G-d is not a man” (A) and “…that He should lie” (B), nor a “son of man.”

      The “that” is an important word. All this (the grammar) is saying is that God does not lie as you and I do. But, naturally, you don’t see it that way.

      D (1). “G-d is going to look the other way if you decide to cheat on your wife or commit a murder. That program of belief invites a standard of immoral conduct that is anathema to the direction G-d provided us in His Torah.”

      C’mon Frank; that is so far from the NT. Show me where in the NT you got that from.

      D (2). “the majority of the Nazi butchers were Christians who “accepted Jesus in their hearts as their lord and savior”, and whom Christianity thus deems positioned for everlasting tranquility in heaven, while the Nazis’ innocent Jewish victims, including 1.5 million children, will eternally burn in hell …”

      Frank, surely, you wouldn’t blame Judaism because a Jew gunned down Rabin, or because another Jew gunned down 30-odd Arabs praying in a Mosque, or another Jew attacking Hebrew Christians in Israel. As far as Jewish suffering goes, it was the God of the Torah who destroyed the Northern tribes of Israel and Jerusalem and the Temple on two occasions (Babylonians and Romans). As you know, Jewish mothers ate their children during one or both of the sieges of Jerusalem – something that never happened during the holocaust. There are many accounts in the Tenach of God’s curses and wrathful judgment on Israel, where only stumps remained.

      Rabbi Yochanan Ben Zakkai and Rabbi Shaul of Tarsus were two pupis of Gamaliel.

      “Every Jew is under one law or another. Think of an unsaved Jewish person as a kind of backslider. He’s in a covenant relationship with God, he may not keep the covenant, he may be an atheist, but he’s still under the curse of the law. If you want to know what happened to Israel and the Jews, read Lev. 26; read Deut. 28. Their entire history is foretold. They’re under a national curse because they reject Jesus, they’re under the curse of the Law. By the time the temple was destroyed, the prediction of Daniel was fulfilled, the Messiah would come and die before it would be destroyed and every Jew had one of two choices; either he accepted Jesus as the Messiah, or he began the practice of Judaism, which was not scriptural. The entire future of the Jewish faith to this day is based on these two classmates. At the end of his life, the Talmud tells us, Rabbi Johanan b.Zakkai was crying and weeping. And his disciples, Talmidim, they came to him and said “Oh, mighty hammer”, they called him Patisha Gadol, “Oh mighty hammer, great hammer, why are you weeping?” “Why are you crying, why is your soul in distress, oh mighty hammer, Ben Zakkai?”And Rabbi Ben Zakkai said” I’m about to meet Ha Shem, God , Blessed be his name, and before me there are two roads, one leading to Paradise and one leading to Gehenna; one leading to Heaven and one leading to Hell, and I do not know to what road Ha Shem will sentence me”. The founder of Rabbinic Judaism, admitted he had absolutely no assurance of salvation. He said what he did, he didn’t know if God was goingto send him to hell for doing it. He was terrified to die at the end of his life. That was Rabbi Johanan b.Zakkai, and so are all those Jews who follow him.”

      “But then there’s Rabbi Sha’ul of Tarsus, and at the end of his life he said trouble me no further, for on my body I bare the marks of Christ. And I know there is made up for me a crown of glory and of righteousness. He had an assurance of salvation, and so does every Jew who follows him.”

      James Jacob Prasch, “Israel, the Church and the Jews,” 2007, 21st Century Press, p. 66 and http://www.letusreason.org/Juda3.htm

      Mohammed and ben Zakkai had the same anguish about their eternal destiny. Muslims understand this lack of assurance as humility. You would possibly also think the same of ben Zakkai and yourself. Here is a excerpt from Bukhari’s Hadith:

      “Of the unseen the Apostles knew only that which Allah revealed to them. They made public what they learned, and they concealed nothing of what was revealed to them. ‘He (alone) knows the unseen. He does not make anyone acquainted with His mysteries.’ 72.26 Um ‘Alaa’ narrated; The Prophet(Peace be on Him) said: ‘. . . By Allah, I do not know what Allah will do with me (in this world) though I am Allah’s Apostle.’ Bukhari Vol.I p. 190.”
      NOTE that “(in this world”) has been added by the commentator; it doesn’t appear in Bhukari. http://www.qss.org/archives/aqeedah/ch08.html

      Second letter of Paul to Timothy (4:1-8)
      “I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.”

      The Jew, and all of mankind, are under the curse (of Adam).
      “Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:14-15).

    • Hi Andy
      I had my computer off for the last eight hours. WordPress asks me to approve some (for some reason, not all) comments sent to me. So, now you can see Frank. I welcome Frank-like comments, because they get to the marrow and go deep into the nerves and the bile.

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