Introduction

David H. Stern is a Messianic Jew whose “Complete Jewish Bible” is a unique melange of translation, paraphrase and commentary. “Unique” in the sense that the New Testament tranche is solely Stern’s execution.

Stern’s view is that the New Testament is a book written by Jewish believers in Yeshua/Jesus for Jewish believers in Yeshua; and these Jewish believers did not cease to practice the whole Torah. For these reasons Stern maintains that all believers in Yeshua should observe the “law” (the Torah – Mosaic Law) which, says Stern, has been carried over to the New Testament. For Stern, the New Testament is a natural extension of the Torah. When Stern in his translation puts “Torah” in inverted commas, he means “legalistic observance.”

Torah” has two meanings: the Five books of Moses – the “Law” (Pentateuch) and the whole Hebrew Bible. Our focus is on the “Law.” Certain laws such as the sacrificial laws fell into disuse after the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 A.D.

I examine the concept of “justification” and discuss how Stern’s reworking of the New Testament text in his “Complete Jewish Bible” results in the original meaning of “justification” becoming very similar to the rabbinical and Roman Catholic view of the term, namely, that justification means faith plus works (the law). In his effort to prove that the New Testament does not replace the Mosaic law but merely extends it, I shall argue that Stern illegally replaces the word “law” (which Paul always refers to in Greek as nomos) in certain verses of the New Testament with “legalistic observance.”

Protestant, Roman Catholic and Rabbinical views of “justification.”

First, I contrast the majority Protestant view with the Roman Catholic view on justification. Second, I compare Stern’s translations of biblical texts with translations generally accepted by both Protestants and Roman Catholics. Third, I show the similarity between Stern’s view, the Jewish view and the Roman Catholic view of justification.

Justification” for the Protestant means “being made righteous” in the sense of being made right with God, not by our own efforts but by God. We are justified by grace through faith:

“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Works are the fruit of faith but not a condition for justification, that is, for being made right with God: For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do (Ephesians 2:10). 

The majority Protestant view is explained in the Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter XII):

Those whom God effectually calls, He also freely justifies: not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ’s sake alone; nor by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them, they receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith; which faith they have not of themselves, it is the gift of God. Faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ and His righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification: yet is it not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but worketh by love.”

Stern and like-minded Messianic Jews agree they are justified by grace alone through faith alone (Ephesians 2:8), and that good works (Stern’s obedience to the commandments of Torah) do not save. So good works accompany faith, which “worketh by love” (last words of Westminster Confession above).

In rabbinic Judaism, faith means faithfulness (emunah), that is, faithfully fulfilling God’s commandments (mitzvot). A common Jewish view of Christianity is that faith in Jesus is all you need to be saved, and so a person can subsequently do what he likes, and still go to heaven. There are indeed some Christians who say that the way a Christian lives (his works) is totally irrelevant, because the moment you believe, you are saved. Once you believe, they say, you can sin as much as you like, for doesn’t Jesus say,” I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life”(John 6:47)? Most Christians reject this abberation of the Gospel. If you were to realise what a great mercy it is for God to make you aware of your sin, you could never think this way. “If we (Christians) confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).

The Roman Catholic position on justification is presented in Canon 24 of the Council of Trent:

If anyone says that justice [justification] received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely fruits and signs of justification obtained, not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema. (Council of Trent sixth session, celebrated on the thirteenth day of January, 1547, Decree concerning Justification).” (My underlining).

In Al Mohler’s “The Briefing” of 14 March 2013, in which he discussed the election of Pope Francis I, he criticised a popular evangelical view that on core doctrines (for example, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Virgin Birth) and social issues (for example, marriage and poverty relief), evangelicals and Catholics belong together. No mention was made of the far more important doctrine of justification. Rome says it believes in justification by faith but will not say it believes in justification by faith alone, which is the main pillar of Protestant Reformation. (See Trent above).

 Contrary to Trent’s view of Protestants above, the Protestant believes most firmly that works are “the fruits and signs of justifications obtained” This Protestant position, though, would not say that works are “merely” (Trent above) the fruits of justification, because this might create the impression that works don’t matter in salvation.

Justification, sanctification and salvation

 How many times have I heard a Christian say: there’s justification, which occurs when you are born again, and then there’s (the job of) sanctification! By sanctification they mean, if not in such rustic words, don’t just sit on your pristine born-anew bottie and talk holy talk; stand up and walk the holy walk.

Although Christians have indeed to sanctify themselves through living close to God and doing godly things, Christians who bisect the Gospel into two chronological stages, justification and sanctification, have a paltry idea of what both terms mean. In 1 Corinthians 1:2, we read: “To the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours.” Although the same Greek word “hagioi” is used in both “sanctified” and (called to be) “saints,” the first means that at the moment of justification, you become (you are passive) sanctified (holy). That is what the following scripture means: But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light” ( 1 Peter 2:9). (See I know I am justified; now I must focus on the job of sanctification).

And “salvation?” If you are an evangelical Christian and someone asks you, “Do you believe in faith alone?, you’ll politely growl – if the questioner is another evangelical Christian – “What a dumb question, of course I do!” The meaning of “faith alone” is that one is justified by faith alone, not by faith plus works. That is not to say that faith is found alone, for works are involved, but not as part of your justification but as part of your salvation. The general Protestant view is that works are the fruits and signs of justification obtained. It also matters much what kind of good works you do once you believe – not for the purposes of salvation but because “we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil” (2 Corinthians 5:10 ESV). (See Faith and Jerks: The Bible out of context is a con; that’s why James White is not going to hell).

Examples from David Stern’s New Testament translation

I now examine Stern’s translation of several New Testament texts. My clarifications/comments appear in square brackets. Emphases in bold are mine.

Galatians 5:1-6 (Complete Jewish Bible)

 5:1 What the Messiah has freed us for is freedom! Therefore, stand firm, and don’t let yourselves be tied up again to a yoke of slavery. 2 Mark my words — I, Sha’ul, tell you that if you undergo b’rit-milah [circumcision] the Messiah will be of no advantage to you at all! 3 Again, I warn you: any man who undergoes b’rit-milah [ circumcision] is obligated to observe the entire Torah! 4 You who are trying to be declared righteous [justified] by God through legalism have severed yourselves from the Messiah! You have fallen away from God’s grace! 5 For it is by the power of the Spirit, who works in us because we trust and are faithful, that we confidently expect our hope of attaining righteousness to be fulfilled. 6 When we are united with the Messiah Yeshua, neither being circumcised nor being uncircumcised matters; what matters is trusting faithfulness expressing itself through love.

I focus on verses 3 and 4:

Stern

3 Again, I warn you: any man who undergoes b’rit-milah [ circumcision] is obligated to observe the entire Torah! [νόμος nomos] 4 You who are trying to be declared righteous [justified] by God through legalism [νόμος nomos] have severed yourselves from the Messiah! You have fallen away from God’s grace!

Here is the ESV (Protestant) translation:

I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

The Douay-Rheims (Roman Catholic) translation says the same thing.

And I testify again to every man circumcising himself, that he is a debtor to the whole law. You are made void of Christ, you who are justified in the law: you are fallen from grace.

Pick up any translation in any language of these verses, and you will find the word “law” in verse 4. Stern has his own “New Perspective on Paul” (N.T. Wright), and like Wright, He admonishes us to dig below the level of the words on the page to the deeper levels. So, in verse 3, the first instance of nomos, he is happy to stay firmly planted on ground level and translate it as “law” (Torah). In verse 4, the second instance of nomos, however, he wants, like a good deconstructionist, to dive below the surface to the hidden sedimentations – hidden even from Paul. (In rabbinic Judaism the text has multiple levels of which the surface level is the first and shallow level.) Why, in verse 4, didn’t Paul write the Greek for “legalism,” the “abuse of the law,” if that is what he meant? Because that is not what he meant.

Stern does a similar job in his translation of Romans 3:20: For in his sight no one alive will be considered righteous [justified δικαιόω dikaioō] on the ground of legalistic observance of Torah (νόμος nomos) commands, because what Torah (νόμος nomos) really does is show people how sinful they are. Here is the ESV: For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

 Stern – “legalistic observance of Torah commands”; ESV – “works of the law.”

 Here is Stern’s Romans 3:28: Therefore, we hold the view that a person comes to be considered righteous by God on the ground of trusting, which has nothing to do with legalistic observance of Torah commands (νόμος nomos)The ESV translation (and similarly in all other translations) follows the grammar of the Greek,which is once again “works of the law” (ἔργων νόμου “ergon nomou”): 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works (ἔργον ergon) of the law (νόμος nomos).

According to Stern, Paul must have meant “legalist” in the places Stern has indicated. Stern’s reasoning is that Paul was a Torah observant Jew, and so couldn’t have meant that one could be righteous without observing the Torah, which Paul says is good:  “the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good” (Romans 7:12).

Consider the term “righteous.” There is a very important distinction, touching the very nature of “justification” itself, between (a believer) considered as righteous (justified) and becoming righteous (“sanctification” – living a holy life). In the first meaning, at the moment of regeneration (born again) Christ imputes his righteousness to (puts his righteousness into) the believer. This is the meaning of “justification.” In the second meaning, these justified believers, who have been given a new nature, have a radically different attitude to sin: they hate it, even more so when they fall into sin. They, alas, remain divided in themselves in that they (their sin nature) often want to do what they (their new nature) don’t want to do (Romans 7:13-25). They try to live a holy life, which is what “sanctification” means. With this distinction dangling under our kilts, let us return to Stern’s and the ESV translations of Romans 3:28:

Stern – “Therefore, we hold the view that a person comes to be considered righteous by God on the ground of trusting, which has nothing to do with legalistic observance of Torah commands (νόμος nomos).

ESV Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law (νόμος nomos).

 And Romans 8:1-7 (ESV):

1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (ESV).

Here is Stern’s reworking of Romans 8:1-3:

“Therefore, there is no longer any condemnation awaiting those who are in union with the Messiah Yeshua. 2 Why? Because the Torah of the Spirit, which produces this life in union with Messiah Yeshua, has set me free from the “Torah” of sin and death. 3 For what the Torah could not do by itself, because it lacked the power to make the old nature cooperate (pace Calvin), God did by sending his own Son as a human being with a nature like our own sinful one [but without sin].”

In Stern there are three Torahs: the Torah of the Spirit, the “Torah” (his inverted commas) of sin and death (verse 2), and the Torah by itself (verse 3). The “Torah” (in inverted commas) is Stern’s “legalistic observance” and the Torah by itself is the holy Mosaic Law. But this bifurcation into “Torah” and Torah is not there in the Greek text. Stern, of course, says that it is implied. We, however, are no longer under the law, writes Paul (Galatians 3:25). But – and this is what Stern is grappling with – he also writes, “the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good” (Romans 7:12). And in 2 Corinthians 3:7-11, we read:

7 if the ministration of death, written, and engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the children of Israel could not look steadfastly upon the face of Moses for the glory of his face; which glory was passing away: 8 how shall not rather the ministration of the spirit be with glory? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation hath glory, much rather doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. (See A Jewish view of the Christian view of the LAW).

This “ministration of the (Holy) Spirit” does not mean that followers of Jesus/Yeshua need not live a godly life. It does not mean that all you have to do is have faith and ignore the Lordship of Christ/Messiah over your life. Christ’s Lordship is his “Lawship.” The law/Torah holy as it was, administered death, because it made us conscious of our sin, and showed us how helpless we are without God’s mercy. It was not Stern’s “Torah” above of legalistic observance that brought death but the holy Torah itself. After one is justified (by grace through faith), the law previously written on stones – the Ten Commandments – becomes written into our hearts. The law is one among several of our scriptural pedagogues:

[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it [15] and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. [16] All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, [17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:14-17 ESV).

Followers of Jesus/Yeshua don’t do the works of the law for their salvation but in their salvation, and in this sense they are not under the law, under the ministration that, before they were born again, brought death. I’m sure Stern would agree.

[I]t’s certainly discouraging, says S Lewis Johnson, to discover that in the Christian life you find yourself doing the very thing that you hate to do.  And so the things that you want to do you can not do, and the things that you hate to do you find yourself doing them.  The tendency is to try all forms of Christian legalism, introduced taboos.  Don’t do this.  Don’t do that.  Don’t do the other thing.  And that will be pleasing to the Lord, and you will be victorious in your Christian life.  Or resolve even harder with your will.  Perhaps, even spend more time in prayer or witnessing, giving out the gospel.  These things surely are the means by which we may find merit before the Lord God.  But we discover that Christian legalism will not do in the Christian life.  We discover as Paul has told us here in this passage that we’ve read in our Scripture reading that we are slaves to indwelling sin, and something must be done in us now. So the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is the unfolding of something done for us and something done in us.  Christ dies for our sins on the cross, and the Holy Spirit is sent into our hearts to complete the work of redemption by doing something in us; something that is not completed until the time of the resurrection, but something that is going on constantly” (S. Lewis Johnson, The Struggle – Romans, 7:13-25).

“Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.”

What about “not one jot, not one tittle!” Enough already; do you want me back on the bottle! 

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45 responses to “David Stern’s Torah “Torah” in the Justification of sinners: A legalistic spanner in the works”

  1. Is your problem only with Stern or you hold to the meshugene idea that the Torah have no place in the life of the believer?

    1. The two entities are related. The Torah has not been abrogated, but (full)filled). Talking of meshugenes, not fool filled.

  2. And of course like all meshugenes you think that “Fulfill” means to do away with, right?

    1. Not away with: oy vey with.

      1. I guess this is your way to avoid a discussion?

        1. Do you believe one can be justified by the Torah/Law?

          1. You need to answer my question first, is your definition of “fulfill” is “to do away with?”

            1. Jesus clarified and revealed the full sense of Torah. He filled it with his emptied blood (the cross).

              1. You are not answering my question. If Jesus took the time to reveal the full sense of the Torah, does it mean that He authorized the believers to do away with it, Or, that He meant every word He said in Matt. 5:17-20?

                1. The tittle of circumcision no longer counts for anything.

                  1. Why don’t you finish the verse?

                    “Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, ONLY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD MATTER.”

                    1. Which commandments? Wasn’t circumcision a commandment?

  3. I’ve not heard of David Sterns until I found your blog…is he prominent in the Messianic Jewish circle?

    1. Yes, very prominent, so much so that his “Complete Jewish Bible” now competes with the NASB, ESV, NIV, KJV etc on Biblegateway.com. Many “Jewish roots” Christians have replaced their translations with his Bible.

      1. Wow…thanks for informing us

  4. “Which commandments? Wasn’t circumcision a commandment?”

    In “circumcision” Paul means Jews. In “uncircumcision” he means Gentiles. Get it? It does not matter if you are a Jew or a Gentile, what matters is the Torah of God.

    Now, back to the beginning…Does “fulfill” for you means “to do away with?” Hope I will not have to ask you this again and again….

    1. Galatians 5:3-8
      testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; BUT FAITH THAT WORKETH BY LOVE
      7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

      Where in the NT does it say what say?

      1. The reason Paul uses the phrase “obligated to keep the whole Torah” as a negative statement is because he is talking about those who would submit to the rabbinic proselyte ritual, and would thus believe their “legal Jewish status” provided them a right-standing before God (justified by Torah.) Paul is reminding them that their newly acquired “legal Jewish status” could only be maintained by “keeping the whole Torah”, so their “righteousness before God” would remain contingent upon their performance of the Torah, both written and oral.

        You need to get out a little more…..

        1. By “whole” Torah, which of the 613 commandments does this include?

          1. You mean the “whole Torah that Jesus “fulfilled?

            1. I mean the hole in the Torah that our Saviour filled full.

              What do you say the “whole” Torah is that is for Paul, according to you, still in force?

              1. You are shooting yourself in the leg here. If, as you contain, that the whole Torah is not in force, then you are admitting that when yeahus filled it full He really did abolish it, no?

                1. Before I reply I’d like to clarify what you mean by the “whole” Torah. Or would that question leave me with no more legs to stand on?

                  1. I already explained it, here:

                    “The reason Paul uses the phrase “obligated to keep the whole Torah” as a negative statement is because he is talking about those who would submit to the rabbinic proselyte ritual, and would thus believe their “legal Jewish status” provided them a right-standing before God (justified by Torah.) Paul is reminding them that their newly acquired “legal Jewish status” could only be maintained by “keeping the whole Torah”, so their “righteousness before God” would remain contingent upon their performance of the Torah, both written and oral.”

                    1. In which way – if any – does what you say agree/disagree with Stern. Here are two relevant excerpts from the article:

                      1. Here is Stern’s Romans 3:28: Therefore, we hold the view that a person comes to be considered righteous by God on the ground of trusting, which has nothing to do with legalistic observance of Torah commands (νόμος nomos). The ESV translation (and similarly in all other translations) follows the grammar of the Greek,which is once again “works of the law” (ἔργων νόμου “ergon nomou”): 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works (ἔργον ergon) of the law (νόμος nomos).

                      According to Stern, Paul must have meant “legalist” in the places Stern has indicated. Stern’s reasoning is that Paul was a Torah observant Jew, and so couldn’t have meant that one could be righteous without observing the Torah, which Paul says is good: “the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good” (Romans 7:12).

                      2. Here is Stern’s reworking of Romans 8:1-3:

                      “Therefore, there is no longer any condemnation awaiting those who are in union with the Messiah Yeshua. 2 Why? Because the Torah of the Spirit, which produces this life in union with Messiah Yeshua, has set me free from the “Torah” of sin and death. 3 For what the Torah could not do by itself, because it lacked the power to make the old nature cooperate (pace Calvin), God did by sending his own Son as a human being with a nature like our own sinful one [but without sin].”

                      In Stern there are three Torahs: the Torah of the Spirit, the “Torah” (his inverted commas) of sin and death (verse 2), and the Torah by itself (verse 3). The “Torah” (in inverted commas) is Stern’s “legalistic observance” and the Torah by itself is the holy Mosaic Law.

      2. “testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.”

        What about the thousand baby boys in America and S. Africa who were circumcised as a matter of course (without any religious sense)? Is Messiah of no benefit to them. Don’t you think that Paul speaks about something more than the physical act of circumcision?

        “For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; BUT FAITH THAT WORKETH BY LOVE”

        This from the same man that wrote Romans 3:1-2…That leaves us with two options, either Paul was a deceiver and a cheat, or you are misunderstanding what he has to say….

  5. Do you remember this?

    “Is your problem only with Stern or you hold to the meshugene idea that the Torah have no place in the life of the believer?”

    I think that Stern’s work is a joke. and you have yet to answer to the second part of the comment.

    1. I’d like to keep our focus on the article.

      Regarding Stern’s translations in the article, which, it seems, you believe are wrong, what do you think the correct translations are of the texts I quoted in my previous comment?

      Regarding my crit of Stern, are there any bits you agree/disagree with, and if so which one’s?

      1. Again, you cannot gloss over parts of the discussion you don’t like or have no answer for.

        So here is it again: Do you believe that the Torah has no place in the life of the believer? This was in my first comment, and you have yet to reply. I have already told you that I have no interest to discuss Stern’s faulty book. It is a Joke.

        1. I think it is right that initial comments in a blog should be directly related to the blog post, and only thereafter to related questions. So, I first need to establish what you agree/disagree with what I have said so far about the “Law.” And then, anchors away, as you are keen to do.

          1. What you said, or what Stern said? You said nothing about the “law”, you just quoted him, and I already told you what I think of him, so why are you continue to play these games?

            1. On the contrary, I did not merely quote Stern. I said much more than Stern said – about the Law.

  6. Well, why do you think I asked you if you believe that the Torah has no place in the life of the believer?

    1. So, according to you, I said that God’s commandments (the Torah) has no place in the life of the believer?

      1. Do you keep the Shabbat? Do you wear Tzitzit? Do you fast on Yom Kippur? It is obvious don’t you think so?

        1. No, I don’t do these three that you do. What about the other 610 (is it?) commandments, keeping in mind “not one jot, not one tittle?”

          1. Thanks for admitting that you believe that the Torah has no role in the life of the believer. As for your question, read Deut. 30. Especially verse 11. Hoping you did not tear it out yet from your thinning Bible…..

            1. I haven’t admitted such a thing, if by the Torah you mean 613 commandments. So you are telling us that it is easy for you to do all 613 commandments. Say you manage to do even half (the destruction of the temple makes it easier), how does that affect your righteousness/justification (as explained clearly in the NT)?

              Paul the Apostle says, no way can anyone fulfil the Law (= whole Law). That is where our Lord Jesus Christ comes into the picture – the Gospel of Christ’s righteousness, which he imputes to those who have faith in him. Paul, by divine revelation explains Deut 30:11 (verse 8 in Romans 10)?

              Misguided Jewish zeal.

              Romans 10:1-12

              1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
              5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

  7. “I haven’t admitted such a thing, if by the Torah you mean 613 commandments. So you are telling us that it is easy for you to do all 613 commandments. Say you manage to do even half (the destruction of the temple makes it easier), how does that affect your righteousness/justification (as explained clearly in the NT)?

    Paul the Apostle says, no way can anyone fulfil the Law (= whole Law). That is where our Lord Jesus Christ comes into the picture – the Gospel of Christ’s righteousness, which he imputes to those who have faith in him. Paul, by divine revelation explains Deut 30:11 (verse 8 in Romans 10)?

    Misguided Jewish zeal.”

    Like all Christian you demonstrate ignorance by sticking to an old error and refusing to accept a new truth. Please point me to one Scripture (just one) where Jesus, or Paul say that because we are not justify by the Torah we might as well discard it, can you?

    Why is it that when the subject of Torah is discussed you Christians always run to Paul and not to Jesus? Do you think that the man who calls himself “An apostle and bondservant of Messiah” in the beginning of almost every Epistle will go and teach contrary to his Master? If yes, then he is a renegade and we have to tear his Epistles out of the Bible. By running to Paul everytime you are challenged you guys look foolish.

    1. Shall I hold my breath for an answer, or you just don’t have one?

      1. The former. Meanwhile keep them lungs full.

        1. OK I will wait. Have a great Passover, OOPS, I forgot it’s Torah….

  8. Dan Benzvi, you are clearly a frustrated (jewish) sympathisant.

    I have not read all the comments above but i would like to leave a comment. I hear Dan Benzvi saying christians refer to Paul when it comes to denying the law. I think however that Jesus changes the paradigm when it comes to the law.
    When Jesus finished the sermon of the mount, where he clearly says that no law the first thing what happens is an encounter with a leper. Jesus touches the leper. The law of the old testament prohibits any physical contact with lepers. Several times Jesus broke the law like it is supposed according to the Old Testament.

    I think the law is still of value, it however condemns the sinner and can not curse the believer in Jesus anymore. When the Israelits still thrusted on God when they returned out of Egypt (actually they did not even thrust God but only Moses did), how many Israelites were killed by God for their sin? None. How many were killed when the covenant of the law was realized? 3000!!!
    Some jewish sympathizers should read the NT more carefully. The law of Christ goes beyond keeping some outward laws, it touches directly the heart of the christian believer so that he is really able to love his neighbor and God.

  9. im sorry i made a few mistakes in my last comment. this part:

    “I think however that Jesus changes the paradigm when it comes to the law.
    When Jesus finished the sermon of the mount, where he clearly says that no law the first thing what happens is an encounter with a leper. Jesus touches the leper. The law of the old testament prohibits any physical contact with lepers. Several times Jesus broke the law like it is supposed according to the Old Testament.”

    should be:

    I think however that Jesus changes the paradigm when it comes to the law.
    When Jesus finished the sermon of the mount, where he clearly says that the law will not perish, the first thing that happens is an encounter with a leper (see matt 8). Jesus even touches the leper. The law of the old testament prohibits any physical contact with lepers. In the Gospels we see that Jesus broke the law of the Old Testament. He gives a whole new meaning to the law. Apparently, one should not be so rigid about the law.

  10. I read all this with interest. I suggest firstly that many of you do not sound like Jesus, who spoke constantly about the Gospel of the Kingdom! (Luke 4:43). Stern breaks one of the fundamental rules of language: He switches the meaning of Nomos (law) to enforce his falsehood that Torah in the letter, is still binding for Christians. The “works of the law” are, for Paul, those laws which divide Jews and non-Jews, keeping them separate. I mean circumcision in the flesh, calendar, and food laws. Paul is insistent that none of us, neither Jews nor Gentiles, practicwe those “works of the law.” Stern, in my opinion, is making Paul in Galatians, incomprehensible! Stern is encouraging the very thing Paul warns against. Stern, I suggest, has corrupted the text by falsely changing the word Nomos and made it mean Legalism. Nomos means in fact Law and not a perversion or abuse of Law. Stern is rewriting the Bible ,and ought to be horrifying to readers.

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