James White: What more does every Christian need to know about Islam and the Qur’an?

James R. White is not Jewish, alas. But I don’t mind. What matters is he’s a Calvinist AND worships Jesus, like I do, that is not to say we worship the same way. He, like me, is a five-point Calvinist, so a consistent one: no fudging with total depravity (radical corruption) and particular (“limited” atonement). I learn much from his books, debates and “Dividing line” podcast.

What I want to talk about here is White’s critique of Islam, mostly very sound. He wrote a good book “What every Christian needs to know about Islam.” What I have noticed is that there is one topic on Islam he never debates or writes about, which I suggest every Christian, indeed everybody, needs to know about. I’m thinking of the violence in Islam; not merely among Muslims, but in the Islamic literature itself – the Qur’an and the Hadiths.

When White does talk about violence in Islam, it is in the vein of most Western politicians where the distinction is made between “radical” Islam and the “true” Islam, which they say isis (oops) a religion of peace; it’s just those radical nasties. In other words, they say there’s nothing to phobe but Islamophobia itself.

Here is White on his Dividing Line podcast of August 7, 1914. He is lambasting Theodore Shoebat’s “Islamophobia”:

[I italicise salient parts. My comments appear in italics after each paragraph]

I happen to know that there is a cottage industry of real Islamophobia. I would describe Islamophobia as if you were someone who was trying to make every one afraid of every Muslim in the world, that would be true Islamophobia. If you cannot recognise that in a group of a billion people are all different kinds of people with different perspectives, standings and beliefs, if you try to say that all of Islam is the same and fail to recognise this, I ‘ve no more respect for that. It’s very easy to do by the way. If you want to divide people, that is how you do it. It’s us against them. Problem is, man I really get angry when people do that to me. I really get angry when I am held accountable for the Crusades, for the pornocracy of the papacy in Rome, for the sales of indulgences, all that kind of stuff … Homosexual marriage, abortion. From the world’s perspective they’re all Christians because you can just throw them into one pile right? Well no, you can’t.

About the Crusades:
“President Obama, writes Ravi Zacharias, basically lectured Christians not to get on a moral high horse in their castigation of the ISIS atrocities by reminding them that the Crusades and slavery were also justified in the name of Christ. Citing the Crusades, he used the single most inflammatory word he could have with which to feed the insatiable rage of the extremists. That is exactly what they want to hear to feed their lunacy.” (Ravi Zacharias – A presidential blunder: My response to Obama’s address at the National Prayer Breakfast).

Christianity should not be coupled with the violence of the Crusades. In passing, the crusadfers were not invading lands that belonged to Muslims but lands that Muslims had – with Muhammad and later his “companions, at the vanguard – taken by the sword.

White continues:

Does it take effort and time and energy to differentiate between those Muslim groups. You tell the difference even by just looking at the people I’ve debated among the Muslims. Can’t you discern real distinctions between them not only in their positions but on their mind set and their perspectives. If you can’t, I can for sure. And so I would say that islamophobia is when you try to paint all Muslims with the same broad brush which would mean Christophobia when you do that to Christians. I am concerned that I see some serious islamophobia on the Shoebat website because I don’t see any recognition that there are Muslims other than the radical bloodthirsty animals that we see going after the Azidi right now and killing Christians and fellow Muslims right left and centre. These are obviously demonic people. Then when you have that reality and make it an us versus them get your sword, kill everybody that looks like them attitude and mindset, that is when things really go wrong.”

There is indeed no need to be afraid of every Muslim in the world, because, as White says, in every society there are violent types and peaceful types. I would add that as long as most Muslims either remain ignorant or not care much about what the Qur’an (and Hadiths) teach, most Muslims won’t want to chop off the heads of Kafirs (unbelievers) and apostates. What does White mean by “Islam in “his if you try to say that all of Islam is the same and fail to recognise this, I ‘ve no more respect for that. It’s very easy to do by the way?” If he means the practise of Islam, then there is no doubt about that, but if by Islam he means its texts, then this is incorrect. The Qur’an and the Hadiths are chock full of knocking off the blocks and such like of unbelievers and apostates. The latter are those who do not do everything that Allah and Muhammad have commanded. Where do I end quoting the bucketfuls of verses on this matter! White says about Isis, “these are obviously demonic people.” But Isis is faithful to the Qur’an and Hadiths. The way White is talking you’d think he was unaware of the violence in the Qur’an.

The issue is not the (mal)practise of a religion but religious texts. Muslims do point to the violence in the Hebrew scriptures where God commands the Israelites to kill entire communities. What, though, I am arguing here is that Muslims and ignorant or frightened or politically correct Westerners say that Islam (by that they mean non-violent Muslims) is a religion of peace. Yes, peace when they are in the minority. But wait until they – the coming generation or two – are 30-40% of the European population, they’ll follow the example of their prophet by forcing Kafirs to submit. As more than one person has said, Islam is the fastest growing forced religion in the world. Europe’s turn is round the corner.

1 hour 8 minutes into his podcast, White expresses his disgust at Theodore Shoebat posting a video of an Arabaic teacher in a Muslim country talking about the definition of kafir. Here is White: “At one point he (the teacher) says to them, ‘So what do we do with kafirs ( those who have a differing religious belief)? We slaughter them.’ “And that, says White , is what the Inquisition did. The same mindset. It’s frightening. It should be frightening to you. Frightening to me.”

The Inquisition, not the Gospel, is demonic. What is really frightening is that the reason why that teacher tells his pupils to slay the unbeliever is because he is faithful to his demons, to his Qur’an.

Surah 9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful. (For background and context see THE VERSE OF THE SWORD: SURA 9:5 AND JIHAD).

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7 thoughts on “James White: What more does every Christian need to know about Islam and the Qur’an?

  1. I don’t think Islam is a religion of peace but at the same time I also think some of ISIS’s method might not be totally Islamic (they end up fighting fellow Muslims more than they do non-believers, the practice of sucide bombings, they shouldn’t fight Christians who do not fight against them, etc). ISIS is definitely demonic though. At the same time I have come to the conclusion myself that Shoebat’s news about the middle east often cannot be confirmed and they somehow are the worst news among all other reports concerning the Middle East. I think Shoebat’s religious affinity to Roman Catholicism is also problematic. What do you think?

  2. SJ

    “I don’t think Islam is a religion of peace but at the same time I also think some of ISIS’s method might not be totally Islamic (they end up fighting fellow Muslims more than they do non-believers…”

    Comment: they fight other Muslims because they believe that they are apostates. According to the Qur’an and Hadiths, many of them are apostate. I can’t go into the many proofs here.

    “the practice of sucide bombings”

    Comment: dying in the process of killing non- believers and apostates is the only sure way to get into heaven, and enjoy its sensual (for men) delights.

    “they shouldn’t fight Christians who do not fight against them, etc).”

    Comment: on the contrary the Qur’an is crystal clear: fight disbelievers for being disbelievers.

    “At the same time I have come to the conclusion myself that Shoebat’s news about the middle east often cannot be confirmed and they somehow are the worst news among all other reports concerning the Middle East.”

    Question: Have you an example of Shoebat’s “exaggerations?”

    “I think Shoebat’s religious affinity to Roman Catholicism is also problematic..”

    Comment: Agree. He says that the Inquistion was right to slaughter whole towns of “heretics,” for example the Cathares in France. The RC pot calling the Islamic pot black.

    • Hey missed your response.
      “on the contrary the Qur’an is crystal clear: fight disbelievers for being disbelievers.” <–I think the Qur'an does teach that, but it seems that the Islamic faith allows room for Christians to be second rate members of their society if they obey the Jizya right? Provided of course, the Christians don't attack Muslims. I hope my point in being nuance isn't to defend Islam as a religion of peace, just to note that Islam doesn't allow for Muslims to be violent all the time at least with Jews and Christians although ironically it's not the case today with ISIS.
      I can't think of anything in particular concerning possible "exaggerations" at this time concerning Shoebat other than an image of crucifixion which later turned out to be not of Christians but of other Muslim fighters. I can't dig it out at this time.
      I really more concern with Shoebat's son, was his name Theodore? Worried for his pro-Catholic streak

      • SJ

        The following two verses abrogate all other verses about peace and self-defense.

        For Christians and Jews (People of the Book/Scriptures) – convert or pay submission tax and feel subdued. Or die.

        9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

        For all others (non-Jews and non-Christians “pagans/idolaters”) – the majority of the West. Kill them all unless they convert.

        9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular Prayers and practise regular Charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

        The Quran’s Doctrine of Abrogation

        Prepared by Abdullah Al Araby http://www.islamreview.com/articles/quransdoctrineprint.htm

        In an attempt to polish Islam’s image, Muslim activists usually quote verses from the Quran that were written in the early days of the Islamic movement while Mohammed lived in Mecca. Those passages make Islam appear loving and harmless because they call for love, peace and patience. Such is a deception. The activists fail to tell gullible people that such verses, though still in the Quran, were nullified, abrogated, rendered void by later passages that incite killing, decapitations, maiming, terrorism and religious intolerance. The latter verses were penned while Mohammed’s headquarters was based in Medina.

        When speaking with people of Christianized/Western societies, Muslim activists deliberately hide a major Islamic doctrine called “al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh” (the Abrogator and the Abrogated). This simply means that in situations wherein verses contradict one another, the early verses are overridden by the latter verses. The chronological timing in which a verse was written determines its authority to establish policies within Islam. Non-Muslims cannot afford to be ignorant about the full implications of the Abrogator and the Abrogated Doctrine (al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh). When Islamic spokesmen say that Islam is a religion of peace and that the Quran does not support such things as human rights infractions, gender bias and terrorism, they are lying. This means that the Western politicians and liberal journalists, who continually spout that Islam is a noble religion of peace, are in reality propagating a deception that they have been deceived into parroting.

  3. wow, and I only went searching the tree of consciousness/tree of life. I wanted to know if there was two separated trees or one bearing two kinds of fruit, and I find this site. I have been doing research with translations (mostly Hebrew) and the Bible, Arabic and the muslim beliefs. I am not a scholar or a traveler, I am in search for truth.

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