Can you experience the Trinity?

In his “Search for certainty (p. 67), Herman Bavinck explains the connection between faith and experience:

“The real content of the Christian faith, whether it be taken in a broader or narrower sense to include only moral truths or also the person of Christ, the trinity, the incarnation and Christ’s propitiation, is entirely beyond experience. It cannot be seen or heard, measured or weighed. And it is completely impossible to establish the truth of that faith by experiment. If experience is taken in the sense of inner experience, it is true beyond doubt that the Christian faith brings with it a wealth of experiences…The Christian faith awakens a whole world of emotions in the human heart, ranging on the scale from groans of utter brokenness to the jubilant song of blessed exultation. But all these experiences presuppose, accompany and follow faith. They are not its ground and do not precede it. Anyone who does not believe the Scriptures’ teachings on sin and does not acknowledge them as a revelation from God, also will not be overcome by a sense of guilt. Anyone who does not confess Christ to be the Savior of the world will not seek propitiation for sin in His blood. Similarly, anyone who does not believe in the Holy Spirit will never taste His fellowship. And anyone who doubts the existence of God cannot rejoice in being His child and heir. Those who come to God must, in short, believe that He exists, and that He rewards those who seek Him.”

With this in mind I proceed.

Different causes often have the same effect. Consider the effect of waving your hands in the air. Some Christian congregations do the wave but so do audiences at a pop concert. One may tremble with joy or with fear. Trembling with joy may arise from either winning the lottery or experiencing God. Trembling with fear may also arise from experiencing God or from winning the lottery – all those friends and relatives I never knew I had.

Besides trembling with joy, there might be other physical manifestations, which one might normally associate with the lower appetites such as food: You are very hungry and catch the aroma of freshly baked bread; you begin to salivate, then drool. I am reminded of Art Katz, a Jewish believer in Jesus, who asked one of his audiences whether they ever drooled over Christian doctrine. Drool over dry doctrine! But surely, doctrine – “knowledge of who God is” – is not dry, the doctrine of the Trinity, for example. Among Christians, the Trinity is often the least understood and, consequently, the least loved of all Christian doctrines, for how can your heart warm to something that is so difficult to wrap your head around.

“I love the Trinity, says James White. Does that sound strange to you? For most people, it should sound strange. Think about it: when was the last time you heard anyone say such a thing? We often hear “I love jesus” or “I love God,” but how often does anyone say, “I love the Trinity”? You even hear “I love the cross” or “I love the Bible,” but you don`t hear “I love the Trinity.” Why not? Someone might say, “Well, the Trinity is a doctrine, and you don`t love doctrines.” But in fact we do. “I love justification” or “I love the second coming of Christ” would make perfect sense. What`s more, the Trinity isn’t just a doctrine any more than saying “I love the deity of Christ” makes Christ just a doctrine. So why don`t we talk about loving the Trinity? Most Christians do not understand what the term means and have only a vague idea of the reality it represents. We don`t love things that we consider very complicated, obtuse, or just downright difficult. We are more comfortable saying “I love the old rugged cross.” (James White, “The Forgotten Trinity,” Chapter 1: Why the Forgotten Trinity?).

The most famous passage in Marcel Proust’s “Remembrance of things past” is “La petite Madeleine” (a small cake):

“Many years had elapsed during which nothing of Combray, save what was comprised in the theatre and the drama of my going to bed there, had any existence for me, when one day in winter, on my return home, my mother, seeing that I was cold, offered me some tea, a thing I did not ordinarily take. I declined at first, and then, for no particular reason, changed my mind. She sent for one of those squat, plump little cakes called “petites madeleines,” which look as though they had been moulded in the fluted valve of a scallop shell. And soon, mechanically, dispirited after a dreary day with the prospect of a depressing morrow, I raised to my lips a spoonful of the tea in which I had soaked a morsel of the cake. No sooner had the warm liquid mixed with the crumbs touched my palate than a shudder ran through me and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary thing that was happening to me. An exquisite pleasure had invaded my senses, something isolated, detached, with no suggestion of its origin. And at once the vicissitudes of life had become indifferent to me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusory – this new sensation having had on me the effect which love has of filling me with a precious essence; or rather this essence was not in me it was me. I had ceased now to feel mediocre, contingent, mortal. Whence could it have come to me, this all-powerful joy? I sensed that it was connected with the taste of the tea and the cake, but that it infinitely transcended those savours, could, no, indeed, be of the same nature. Whence did it come? What did it mean? How could I seize and apprehend it?”

Compare Proust’s experience with Jonathan Edwards experience of the Trinity:

“Sometimes, only mentioning a single word caused my heart to burn within me; or only seeing the name of Christ, or the name of some attribute of God. And God has appeared glorious to me on account of the Trinity. It has made me have exalting thoughts of God, that he subsists in three persons; the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. The sweetest joys and delights I have experienced, have not been those that have arisen from a hope of my own good estate, but in a direct view of the glorious things of the gospel.” (Quoted in James White’s “The Forgotten Trinity”):

The doctrine of the trinity, says Lloyd Jones, is the “essence of the Christian faith.” Without the Trinity, there would be no incarnation, no redemption, indeed no Christianity. Lloyd Jones says that the doctrine of the Trinity differentiates itself from other faiths, which, of course it does. The Trinity does not mean “three Gods,” for “behind” the Trinity, or to use another metaphor, “undergirding” the Trinity is:

“absolute, uncompromised monotheism. Monotheism – the belief in one true and eternal God, maker of all things – is the first truth that separates Christianity from the pagan religions of the world. Any discussion of the Trinity that does not begin with the clear, unequivocal proclamation that there is one, indivisible Being of God is a discussion doomed to failure. Anyone who thinks that the doctrine of the Trinity compromises absolute monotheism simply does not understand what the doctrine is teaching (James White, introduction to his “The forgotten Trinity”).

I began in fear and trembling. Few sermons have caused me to tremble (one was Paris Reidhead’s “Ten shekels and a shirt”). A few days ago, one that did it for me again was Martyn Lloyd Jones’ “Access to the Father” on the Trinity. The Trinity is the stench of death to the Jew and the Muslim, and the aroma of life to the Christian. Well it should be life to the Christian, but so often it is not, as with many other key doctrines such as “original sin” and “substitutionary (blood) atonement.”

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Here is the essence of Lloyd Jones sermon with a few daringjewisms thrown in.

Key verse: Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

This verse is not only outstanding but staggering. If we understood this verse the Christian church would be transformed. The greatest thing in the world is to become a Christian. How different is the modern church. Duty, exercise of gifts, clubs, institutions, human society. What a contrast in this verse. The whole purpose of everything is access. Meditate, pause, take time. This one verse contains the most stupendous things we can ever be told or realise about ourselves. We come face to face with the mystery of the blessed Holy Trinity. Through the Son, access by the Spirit unto the Father. Great trinitarian verses, ineffable mystery. The doctrine of the Trinity is the essence of Christian faith. This doctrine differentiates itself from other faiths. One God yet we say in three persons. Inscrutable, we don’t understand, we assert it. Don’t just ignore such a matter. you can’t understand the Bible or the Christian faith without it. Humble ourselves, bow down and praise the three in one. Constantly remind ourselves of the Trinity whenever we worhsip; a sense of awe, glory and true praise. The triune God; we cannot conceive of this greatness, but we must ponder on it, become conscious of its ineffable glory.

The three persons in the Trinity are interested in us (Christians) and engaged in our salvation. That is exactly what this verse says. Staggering. The three Persons are interested in you. If only every Christian realised that. How are they, the three Persons, engaged in this? In the whole chapter (Ephesians 2) , the Father thought of salvation, initiated the plan. “H worketh all things after the council of his own will. The Father conceived, planned the idea. The Son does not extort the plan out of the Father. The Son volunteered, offers to come and execute the plan – to get Himself executed. Consider what it involved for the Son. He made himself of no repute, came in a lowly manner, a poor, ordinary life. He suffered the contradiction of sinners, their spite and envy and took on himself their sins. He was made sin for us (Isaiah 53, 2 cor 5:21), put himself under the law, identified himself with sinners. The Prince of life without whom nothing was made, coming out of eternity, out of the bosom of the father, lays his glory aside, dies, is buried and rises again.

The problem of sin was as great as that. The world despises the doctrine of sin. What is astonishing is that many professing Christians hate sermons on sin.

( I once gave a sermon in a church. Previously, I had asked the pastor of the church why he never preached on sin. He told me that sermons on sin were the old days and people need to be encouraged rather than be condemned. Besides, he said, many of his congregation are either elderly, sick or hurting in one way or another. What they needed was a boost. (See And He opened to them the scriptures: A harsh sermon).

Sin was so great that it involved God’s greatest plan, and the Son’s greatest pain. The Son came into the world from all eternity. God had to come to earth in physical form. God’s love is not the only reason. Another reason is his wrath and justice. Salvation involves three Persons whose focal point is Christ – the blood of Christ. The most staggering of all is that the three persons in the Blessed Holy Trinity so loved us to do all this for us. Self-existent in unimaginable glory yet concerned with us. The Holy Spirit applies Christ’s work to us and works it out in us one by one. He subordinates himself to the Father and Son; the Son subordinates himself to the Father. The Holy Spirit fills the individual and the church with his life. “He shall glorify me,” says the Son. The Son has given himself for you, Christian. If we realised this, it would revolutionise our life, it would be the most thrilling thing in our life. “Should I glory in anything else?” (the Apostle Paul).

The end of salvation, the goal, the object is that we may know God as our Father. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. This is the chief end of salvation. Jews and Gentiles together as one, we go into his presence.

The Apostle Paul tells us how all the barriers between men (Jew and gentile) and between men and God are broken down. Reconciliation. There’s more, however, than reconciliation; there is access, access to the Father. Reconciliation is not enough. I can be reconciled to my enemy yet have nothing further to do with him. Access is the thing, access by one Spirit unto the Father. “Approach me, come into my presence.” The Lord Jesus does not only prepare the way, but actually brings us and presents us to the Father, the grand object of salvation.

We’ve become so subjective, salvation has made us happy and it is done this and that. No, you understand little. Don’t you understand, salvation brings us into the presence of God? Salvation is much more than a thing that makes me happy and saves me from hell. It’s about fellowship with God; to know God and whom He has sent. It’s about eternal life: “Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” (John 17:3).

God has a loving interest in us. The very hairs of our head are numbered. It is to the Father we are coming. A Christian is one who has been brought into the same relationship with God as Jesus Christ has with his Father. “I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me” (John 17:23). Underneath us is always the everlasting arms.

Are we enjoying this access, this peace? Do you know that God loves you? Do you know that all things work together for good for those who love God. Do you know that if you are called, you are called according to his purpose? (John 8:28). Do you know that “All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out” (John 6:37). Did you know “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day?(John 6:44). Let us with boldness approach the throne of grace. Come with the confidence of a child to his father. With all our cares and problems like a child and leave it with the Father. Peace that passes all understanding.

Your chief end is the glory of God and to enjoy him forever, You don’t have to wait until heaven. The love of God is so great; the three Persons have taken the interest and effort to enable you to see and enjoy the one God in three persons throughout all eternity.

In conclusion, I return to Proust’s “Madeleine.” I repeat the last sentence of the quotation above (which appears in italics below) and we continue reading:

Whence could it have come to me, this all-powerful joy? I sensed that it was connected with the taste of the tea and the cake, but that it infinitely transcended those savours, could, no, indeed, be of the same nature. Whence did it come? What did it mean? How could I seize and apprehend it?


I drink a second mouthful, in which I find nothing more than in the first, then a third, which gives me rather less than the second. It is time to stop; the potion is losing it magic. It is plain that the truth I am seeking lies not in the cup but in myself. The drink has called it into being, but does not know it, and can only repeat indefinitely, with a progressive diminution of strength, the same message which I cannot interpret, though I hope at least to be able to call it forth again and to find it there presently, intact and at my disposal, for my final enlightenment. I put down the cup and examine my own mind. It alone can discover the truth. But how: What an abyss of uncertainty, whenever the mind feels overtaken by itself; when it, the seeker, is at the same time the dark region through which it must go seeking and where all its equipment will avail it nothing. Seek? More than that: create. It is face to face with something which does not yet exist, to which it alone can give reality and substance, which it alone can bring into the light of day.

The original French title of “Remembrance of time past” is A la recherche du temps perdu (In search of lost time). The impact of the French is lost in translation. What is the point of literature, all the arts, science as well? It makes life easier to bear (Herman Bavinck, “The certainty of faith, p. 32).

In contrast: “When all things began, the Word already was” (John 1:1 New English Bible). The Word (Logos) entered time, flesh, experienced time, flesh, to redeem time, to unlose it – to unsting death (Thomas Haliburton). Through Him we have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Those in Christ shall never be lost.

God’s glory. And man’s?

(This is a follow-on from John Frame versus Michael Horton: What’s Christ all about?)

In his review of Michael Horton’s “Christless Christianity: The Alternative Gospel of the American Church,” one of John Frame‘s main criticisms of Horton’s book is, “Attention to ourselves necessarily detracts from attention to Christ.”

Strong support for Frame’s criticism seems to be found in Ephesians 1:3-6:

“1 Praise be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.”

Verse 1 begins with the praise of God, and verse 3 ends with the praise of God. Martyn Lloyd Jones, in his sermon on verse 6, “To the praise of his glory,” says that the story of our salvation is all about God’s glory. The Gospel is the story of man’s salvation. The question is: Is the Gospel all about God’s glory. If Lloyd Jones and Frame mean “ultimately” about God’s glory, then, this, of course, is true.

Landry (on behalf of Horton) responds to Frame:

“No, it (attention to ourselves) can detract from Christ. But it does not necessarily detract from Christ. When it comes to the gospel, ‘we preach not ourselves, but Christ,’ because the gospel is not about us at all. Confusion over this matter does detract from Christ. However, the good news about Jesus’ death, burial and resurrection has implications on the way we live, and so we must give some attention to ourselves as we let the light of the gospel shine in every dark corner, which challenges us to rethink our actions, self-centeredness, etc.”

S Lewis Johnson, in his description of the purpose of election, says it very well. Lewis Johnson’s context can be extended to all of God’s doings:

“Election has a near purpose – our salvation. It has an intermediate purpose of holy life. And there are texts that we could point to for each of these points. And it has an ultimate purpose – the glory of God. In other words, the first aim of election is that we should be saved. The second aim is that we should live a holy life. Election is not just a doctrine to get us from earth to heaven. It is a doctrine which not only brings us into life but is related to the life we live when we believe in Jesus Christ. And that doctrine does not finish with us until we are in the presence of God and God is glorified by the fact that we are there.”

Yes, it is certainly mostly about God’s glory, but it’s also about God’s children’s (his elect) glory, which, of course, comes from Christ, and not from ourselves:

“I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one — I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me (John 17:22-23).

Keep close to your heart, though, the “wise man must cease to glory in his wisdom, the mighty man must cease to glory in his might, the rich man must cease to glory in his riches, and their only ground of glory in themselves must be their insufficiency, infirmity, poverty, and weakness; and their only ground of glory out of themselves must be, that “God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (Octavius Winslow, “The rough and thorny way”).

As CS Lewis and others have said: How I long for the glory to be revealed. The glory is Christ:

Colossians 1:27
God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Of mysticism, cooking and them goose bumps

Teresa of Ávila, Ulm, Germany

St. Francis of Assisi (circa 1182-1220)
St. Francis of Assisi (circa 1182-1220) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

This morning, a good friend, whom I haven’t seen for more than 20 years, phoned me from Belgium. I asked a variation of my pet question, which I used to ask a phalange of friends my daughter used to bring home from school: “Have you read any good books lately.” The insult – not that her friends were aware of the insult (there I go; another insult) – was double: not merely books, any books, but good books. I would, of course, never ask my friend – or an adult, unless I was very mad, or mad at him or her – such a double-barbed question; not even the single barb alternative (Have you read any books lately?). Besides I know he loves books. So, I simply asked, “What are reading?

He said St Francis of Assisi, especially the classic biography. “The Little Flowers of St. Francis of Assisi” by Mary Roberts Rinehart. Hang on a mo….there, click, click, I’ve downloaded a free pdf into Goodreader on my ipad.

Also Teresa of Avila and a few others were mentioned. In my “Catholic” days, I loved reading how the arrows of divine love pierced Teresa’s heart and made her swoon. There’s nothing wrong, indeed there can be everything right about swooning. I’m not the typical Calvinist who advises you, if you show symptoms of “mysticemia” or any kind of religious experience, to repent or see your doctor.

One atypical Calvinist is Martyn Lloyd Jones – respected by all Calvinists – who in the early part of his sermon series on Ephesians (somewhere between Ephesians 1 – 3, I forget) says that it’s silly (my word for what he respectfully said) to imagine that if God comes to live in those born of God that the regenerated person cannot, indeed should not, feel a thing.

I want to specifically address my Calvinist brethren: There’s a TV advert for shampoo or whatever where a pretty girl says, “It’s all about feeling – AND feeling.” She is, if course, not distinguishing between two kinds of feelings, but merely emphasising that it’s all about feeling; life is all about feeling – “Let’s get physical, physical, I wanna get physical, let’s get into physical, Let me hear your body talk, your body talk, let me hear your body talk.” In the spiritual domain, there are also two kinds of feeling, which requires discernment. There’s goose bumps AND good bumps. The one kind will cook your goose, whereas the other may provide deep insights into what’s cooking. Mysticism does not necessarily, as someone said, begin in a mist and end in schism.

I’m nothing but a sinner saved by grace, nothing but forgiven, nothing but emasculated

In 1 Peter 3:15, Christians are admonished to “always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect…”

I sometimes fall down on giving an answer with gentleness.For example, I said elsewhere that you Christians who maintain that you first believe (decide to have faith) and then are raised from the dead to decide to believe even more “need a (respectful and reverential) kick in your Arminian pants.” I may have been even more brassy to Arminians when, taking a leaf out of Paul the Apostle’s book, I didn’t only let loose, as Paul did (in connection with those believers who insisted that Gentile believers be circumcised – Galatians 5:11) that he wished they would go the whole hog and emasculate themselves. I was much more blunt: “Go and emasculate yourselves.” To add insult to injury, 1 Peter 3:15 is about giving an answer to those who ask me, and no Arminian asked me how faith and regeneration work together; I just went in hammer and tong(ue). Good thing I’m not an apostle.

But let me move on to the main clause in 1 Peter 3:15, “… always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have.” “Everyone” here refers to unbelievers. Permit me to expand the cohort of Peter’s listeners to Christians as well, who also need to ingest from other Christians the vittles of Christianity. Sometimes, alas, the meat dished out can be rather stringy. Here are two examples:

Not only those who call themselves Christians but even committed ones, say, when asked (and sometimes not asked) what Christianity means to them: “I’m no more than a sinner saved by grace.” To wit: 

Hazlett Lynch, in introduction to “D. Martyn LLoyd-Jones (1899-1981: A Personal Appreciation,” says in his opening paragraph:

As one who has been reading and studying the Lloyd-Jones material for about 40 years, I am delighted to offer this paper as my humble contribution to the legacy of this dear servant of Christ to the Christian Church. To write about such a man as the Doctor (as he was affectionately known) was is an enormous privilege, and yet is a deeply humbling experience for me. I lay no claim to an expertise in the works of Dr D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, and am no more than a sinner saved by divine grace; yet I am that, and for that I am eternally grateful” (my italics). (For more context, see here).

Another example: Your answer you give to the hope that is within you is “I have been forgiven.” With regard to forgiveness, guilt is one the greatest human burdens. So, when you are told that God can wipe away all your sin, and all you have to do is believe that Christ paid the penalty in your place, and all can be wiped clean, you may – most, of course, won’t – jump at the offer and “give your heart” to Christ. If, however, that is all Christianity is for you, and all the other “stuff” like reading your Bible, praying, going to church, sharing with other Christians are a drag, then all you would’ve done is replace one burden with a another: religion. You’ve dredged up your guilt and masked it by the drudge of religion. 

A Christian is forgiven, of course, and that is most wonderful; the chains have been removed, indeed, you have been raised from death. But, the even more glorious thing than being no longer dead is becoming alive, is being in Christ. What is it to be alive in Christ?

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory

(Ephesians 1:3-14 ESV)

Christians, should you give such an answer as above to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope within you? Won’t it be too much for an unbeliever? Shouldn’t we rather aim lower, at something an unbeliever can dig their rational teeth into such as the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus? Now you’re making me want to pick up something sharp again. Don’t you think the Holy Spirit of God can turn a heart of stone into a heart of flesh, and don’t you think the best way He has chosen to do this is the scripture, for didn’t He say this was the way to do it? Wasn’t this the way He did it for you? 

Talk till you’re purple in the face about the evidence of the resurrection and the moral argument for God, about the wonders of human embryology (something amazing to see) , even calling it “divine” and “miraculous,” but unless the Holy Spirit of God irrupts into your life, you remain dead; in what ultimately matters: a life with God in Christ. 

Can’t continue…was cut off.